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For example someone on the same wifi network as you who is listening to your traffic. Not some random website. I think the writer falls into the "privacy paranoid" category of users. Something vaguely looks like it could be used for nefarious purposes, so they imagine it must be for nefarious purposes. Also as much attention as privacy gets, those users are far outnumbered by the performance oriented users.
So it would be a mistake to kill a performance improvement for an imagined privacy improvement to satisfy the even smaller segment of privacy paranoid users. Black 9 months ago parent next [—]. Users have unfortunately learned to fear the worst. Black 9 months ago root parent next [—]. I just tried it and Chromium, at least, closes all processes when the last window is closed. But the linked post is talking about a Mac, where the expectation is explicitly that the application keeps running even if it has no windows at present; if you want the process to go away then tell it to quit.
But do they still have that update process running constantly? It would be trivial to send the interesting information once the main process chrome is back in memory. If you really want to close the browser then by all means exit the application. Otherwise these lingering connections are mostly worthless to anyone but a developer as they eventually drop within a few minutes. I question the view that being privacy and performance oriented are at odds.
In practical terms, there is likely to be some correlation as surveillance often uses more client-side resources. The post is written in a way that might mislead some into thinking that 1 connections are kept after closing the browser , 2 connections are kept indefinitely. Many things are kept for a while in memory as well.
TeMPOraL 9 months ago parent next [—]. This is definitely a non-obvious behavior. Browsers historically were tied to their windows - if you closed them all, there was no browser process running anymore. Note that the article author is on macOS using Safari. On macOS, closing the last window does not necessarily close the application and this is an established pattern. TIL, thanks! Window is just a different UI for a tab. When you close last window, then you close the whole browser, and the story is different.
Incognito tabs put more restrictions on certain things than normal tabs, for example no disk writes, but unless you close all incognito windows, stuff still lives there in memory. TeMPOraL 9 months ago root parent next [—]. Yes, what I mean is what happens when you close the last window. I see this pref on Linux and Windows, but not Mac. Hmm never experienced that. Do you have some PWAs installed by any chance?
I know that Opera does stuff like that some "speed launcher" though. Closing the last windows has never closed the application. In my opinion, this has always been a feature of MacOS. I can close the last window of an application without quitting the application requiring startup again if I want to open another one. Yeah, OS X copied this behavior from classic Macs. Over high-latency connection, it can take much longer than server download time of the resource. This is ongoing "communication" in the loosest sense right?
Or am I missing something? Most http logs just store request info. It is quite possible to capture detailed connection info, but web logs at scale are not free and better deliver some value. Akamai for example only logs connection termination errors for failed transactions--and it needs a valid header to do so, or it will not get logged.
I am not too worried about the described behavior. Yes, exactly. There might be some keepalive messages to prevent timeouts, but unless the browser is explicitly instructed to make an HTTP request no data is passed. Wait until Jeff hears about Service Workers. It seems every other month there is a new feature I need to know to disable in Firefox. How does one keep track of all this without having to be a professional web dev? AKA just about impossible.
That was my immediate impression as to what was going on. For the uninitiated: 1 uMatrix can block these. KingOfCoders 9 months ago root parent prev next [—]. Thanks for "about:serviceworkers", found around I read up on them and do not see how they keep connections open when the page is closed. Arnavion 9 months ago root parent next [—]. Service workers run in the background independent of any website pages open. So your computer can get slower without the hassle of you having to actually install anything!
They do not, though. Chrome terminates any idle or too-busy service workers after some time. ServiceWorker delete window. ServiceWorkerRegistration delete window. How did this get so many upvotes to get on the front page I wonder? I thought that this would talk about Chrome, but I am not surprised that it is about Safari Not sure why this is surprising. The author is using macOS where closing a window almost always just closes the window while the application itself continues to run.
Browsers maintain active connections for a number of reasons, the main two these days being notifications and service workers. Hopefully someone will find a way to abuse this, so that they stop doing it. I had enough of the misdirected request errors from nginx already, due to this. Not sure what is the point they are trying to make. Is for performance: Re-use already established connections. It is common on the server side as well and with other TCP clients beside browsers.
Jan 9 months ago prev next [—]. The important question imho would be: What can be done with this still open connection after the client closed the tab? On the Mac: Closing a window just closes a window. Quitting the application closes all connections sure and true. Connections can be shared between browser tabs, so two tabs may use the same connection to a single origin.
This obviously has implications for privacy e. So would this be a sure fire way to detect incognito mode? No, there is no session sharing between private and non-private tabs. Right, but if your client immediately kills a session, and that client also needed new cookies, maybe that client was incognito. If the session stays open longer, maybe it was a legit new user. Detecting incognito mode always was quite easy. There are web APIs which suggest they guarantee this.
How are you supposed to get notifications you opted into if closing the tab turns off its network access?